Comments on: The Royals Super Two: Wil Myers and Jake Odorizzi

By: colinchristopher

colinchristopher — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:21:00 +0000

I don’t think the Super Two considerations are a legitimate concern as of now. According to Ben Nicholson-Smith over at MLBTR, “If a player gets called up tomorrow and never returns to the minor leagues, he’ll have two years and 110 days of service following the 2014 season (110 days remain in the 2012 championship season). Chances are that won’t be enough to qualify for super two status; the cutoff has been at least two years and 122 days in each of the past six seasons.”

So, really, the only reason the Royals are keeping Myers at Omaha has to do with the lineup in KC. How do they create room for him? They’re either going to have to trade someone or suck it up and live with having a mediocre defensive CF.

By: jim fetterolf

jim fetterolf — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:13:29 +0000

@michael.allen.engel Another month would help him in CF, since he has maybe six weeks playing there.

As for “anointed” that’s the new fad, Free Wil. Been dealing with that elsewhere, always the same points, but most add that “Frenchy is blocking Wil”, so at least you have avoided that. Last year it was Gio, the year before Kila, hope springs eternal in the minor leagues. The next prospect, job, wife, or president will always be better.

Me, I’m heading up the Free Irving movement. He’s hitting .340 and can play six positions. Yuni is blocking him.

By: michael.allen.engel

michael.allen.engel — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:20:23 +0000

@jim fetterolf I say he’d be able to hold his own in the big leagues. I don’t think the Royals bring him up yet, and don’t think they should just yet due to Super Two considerations, but yeah, he doesn’t have anything else to show me at Triple A that makes me think he needs more seasoning.

If it were me, I’d be fine waiting another month but that’s really just for the Super Two deadline – I don’t know that one month more is going to help or hinder either way.

Dunno where I anointed him as any form of Kila or Gio, though. You can clarify that for me.

By: jim fetterolf

jim fetterolf — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:29:27 +0000

@michael.allen.engel My point on Myers is that his gaudy numbers are against minor-league pitchers, so anointing him as the second coming of Kila or Giavotella might be a little premature, especially as his likely spot in KC is CF and a little more experience there might help him. As I’ve said elsewhere, Irving Falu is hitting .340 and Tony Seratelli has 11 homers and Chris Getz is hitting .500. And Myers is hitting about a hundred points less than Hosmer was in AAA last year. Very large step from Omaha to KC for most players.

Then there are the financial considerations, Prince Fielder, as an example got around $10 mil in his first arbitration as a Super Two. Is that risk worth an extra month in KC? At the moment I’ld bring Lough up, then consider Myers and JaKKKe after the ASB when they have at least a couple of months to draw on. Ballplayers are a streaky bunch.

By: michael.allen.engel

michael.allen.engel — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:10:43 +0000

@jim fetterolf He can’t learn to hit big league pitching in Triple A. I say that all the time about minor leaguers. All they can do is demonstrate that they’re ready for the opportunity and he’s clearly ahead of the class in that regard. I saw this same thread on Pine Tar Press and agree with Dave Lesky’s question – who exactly is he supposed to face down there? It’s Triple A. There’s no other option except Triple A pitchers. Can’t always dismiss a guy just because it’s the minor leagues – now if it’s Kila Ka’aihue, sure. He’s shown enough at the big league level to bring skepticism against minor league pitching, but that’s different.

Anyway, yeah, Cain’s rehab had another setback and I’m wondering if we’ll even see him this year. Lough could be an option and he’s more than earned a look at least if they aren’t ready to bring up Myers and want to see someone new.

By: jim fetterolf

jim fetterolf — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 22:47:05 +0000

Good piece. If Myers comes up soon it will be CF, since Dyson isn’t hitting much and also has been fighting fielding. Frenchy is pretty much a non-issue in the discussion. A case could be made for 1st base, I guess, or LF. Myers has a nice swing, but I prefer to get him another month, at least, in CF and a chance to see a couple of more major league quality arms. The homer against a veteran with disc disease and in the equivalent of spring training yields warm fuzzies, but a little more experience won’t hurt.

On the flip side, Lorenzo Cain’s rehab isn’t coming along well, so it could be Myers or could be David Lough for awhile. Lough has earned a paycheck and is a decent defender, so might fill the spot for a month or two to see what he has.