Comments on: Prophecy in Pitching http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/ A Kansas City Royals Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:29:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: mmeade17 http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-2020086 mmeade17 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:39:38 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-2020086 @the5allens Oh, no I agree. Paulino is not good. I think I even said he's really not that good (I used "Paulino good" as a comparison not a reference to his "goodness," like Hinder is Nickleback good meaning they aren't good at all). I see what you're saying, and perhaps Lannan is slightly better than Paulino, but to me their virtually the same pitcher in terms of effectiveness, and it does very little to stock the rotation with guys who are virtually the same. Hoch, Paulino, Chen, Lannan, these are back end guys, not front end guys. I'd hate to see the road blocked by pitchers like that when potential like Monty, Crow, Lamb, Odorizzi is waiting. We know what Lannan and Paulino bring to the table 3-5 starter ability. At some point, we will need to find out if those other guys can make it to the 1-2 range. Good comments, sparking great discourse. @the5allens Oh, no I agree. Paulino is not good. I think I even said he’s really not that good (I used “Paulino good” as a comparison not a reference to his “goodness,” like Hinder is Nickleback good meaning they aren’t good at all). I see what you’re saying, and perhaps Lannan is slightly better than Paulino, but to me their virtually the same pitcher in terms of effectiveness, and it does very little to stock the rotation with guys who are virtually the same. Hoch, Paulino, Chen, Lannan, these are back end guys, not front end guys. I’d hate to see the road blocked by pitchers like that when potential like Monty, Crow, Lamb, Odorizzi is waiting. We know what Lannan and Paulino bring to the table 3-5 starter ability. At some point, we will need to find out if those other guys can make it to the 1-2 range.

Good comments, sparking great discourse.

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-2020085 michael.allen.engel Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:28:22 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-2020085 @the5allens @mmeade17 Take out Davies/SOS/Mazzaro from last year, and the rotation was right at the AL average. No, that's not "good" but it's not awful either, and with any kind of progress from Duffy, Hochevar (THIS is the year) and yes, Paulino (led the team in K/9, which is a start), they could end up doing a little bit better than we all expect. The could also be awful, too. Paulino might be masquerading as a serviceable pitcher. Hoch might go back to his old form, and Duffy could stay as raw as he was last year. I hate to hedge but it's probably somewhere between those two scenarios. @the5allens @mmeade17 Take out Davies/SOS/Mazzaro from last year, and the rotation was right at the AL average. No, that’s not “good” but it’s not awful either, and with any kind of progress from Duffy, Hochevar (THIS is the year) and yes, Paulino (led the team in K/9, which is a start), they could end up doing a little bit better than we all expect.

The could also be awful, too. Paulino might be masquerading as a serviceable pitcher. Hoch might go back to his old form, and Duffy could stay as raw as he was last year. I hate to hedge but it’s probably somewhere between those two scenarios.

]]> By: the5allens http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-2020084 the5allens Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:19:20 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-2020084 @mmeade17 wait, did you really say "paulino good" ? is that some kind of reverse-psychology jedi mind trick ? I think "paulino good" is an oxymoron. Lannan has turned in 3 different seasons with ERA under 4 (pitching over 180 innings each time), while Paulino has never been under 4.00 even in part time duty. and Lannan is a year younger, while Paulino has never been able to catch on, through 3 organizations now. I follow the Royals from afar, and admit that I have not seen Paulino pitch, but I am striking out as to why the organization seems to like him. Lannan is more expensive, and arbitration eligible, but that might even be fixed before the trade with a contract extension as part of the deal. I don't think KC has a lot of guys like Lannan. I think Duffy will be great, but he isn't there yet. Chen is surprisingly good, but for how much longer. Hoch is on the verge of being a bust in my mind, given his draft position. I like Sanchez, have had him in fantasy baseball 2 of last 3 years. Even if Montgomery comes up at some point this season, what can we really expect in his rookie year ? i love the makeup of this year's squad, except I fear that the starting pitching has the potential to be awful. the stud pitchers coming through the system are in a line, not in a wave (unlike last year's wave of position players)- unlikely that we add 2 rookie starters at any one time during the next couple of seasons ( and would we even want to). Thus, when the guys at the end of the line arrive, they are not adds but replacements at that point. in other words, by the time Lamb or Odorizzi come up, Chen - Sanchez are likely to be gone, maybe the great Paulino too. we are running on a treadmill, not improving - and its years down the line. all that being said, I do love this site and I really loved your article. especially the chicken mcnugget reference - at least we have 20 of them...lol. brilliant @mmeade17 wait, did you really say “paulino good” ? is that some kind of reverse-psychology jedi mind trick ? I think “paulino good” is an oxymoron. Lannan has turned in 3 different seasons with ERA under 4 (pitching over 180 innings each time), while Paulino has never been under 4.00 even in part time duty. and Lannan is a year younger, while Paulino has never been able to catch on, through 3 organizations now. I follow the Royals from afar, and admit that I have not seen Paulino pitch, but I am striking out as to why the organization seems to like him.

Lannan is more expensive, and arbitration eligible, but that might even be fixed before the trade with a contract extension as part of the deal.

I don’t think KC has a lot of guys like Lannan. I think Duffy will be great, but he isn’t there yet. Chen is surprisingly good, but for how much longer. Hoch is on the verge of being a bust in my mind, given his draft position. I like Sanchez, have had him in fantasy baseball 2 of last 3 years. Even if Montgomery comes up at some point this season, what can we really expect in his rookie year ?

i love the makeup of this year’s squad, except I fear that the starting pitching has the potential to be awful. the stud pitchers coming through the system are in a line, not in a wave (unlike last year’s wave of position players)- unlikely that we add 2 rookie starters at any one time during the next couple of seasons ( and would we even want to). Thus, when the guys at the end of the line arrive, they are not adds but replacements at that point. in other words, by the time Lamb or Odorizzi come up, Chen – Sanchez are likely to be gone, maybe the great Paulino too. we are running on a treadmill, not improving – and its years down the line.

all that being said, I do love this site and I really loved your article. especially the chicken mcnugget reference – at least we have 20 of them…lol. brilliant

]]> By: mmeade17 http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-6066 mmeade17 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:39:38 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-6066 @the5allens Oh, no I agree. Paulino is not good. I think I even said he's really not that good (I used "Paulino good" as a comparison not a reference to his "goodness," like Hinder is Nickleback good meaning they aren't good at all). I see what you're saying, and perhaps Lannan is slightly better than Paulino, but to me their virtually the same pitcher in terms of effectiveness, and it does very little to stock the rotation with guys who are virtually the same. Hoch, Paulino, Chen, Lannan, these are back end guys, not front end guys. I'd hate to see the road blocked by pitchers like that when potential like Monty, Crow, Lamb, Odorizzi is waiting. We know what Lannan and Paulino bring to the table 3-5 starter ability. At some point, we will need to find out if those other guys can make it to the 1-2 range. Good comments, sparking great discourse. @the5allens Oh, no I agree. Paulino is not good. I think I even said he’s really not that good (I used “Paulino good” as a comparison not a reference to his “goodness,” like Hinder is Nickleback good meaning they aren’t good at all). I see what you’re saying, and perhaps Lannan is slightly better than Paulino, but to me their virtually the same pitcher in terms of effectiveness, and it does very little to stock the rotation with guys who are virtually the same. Hoch, Paulino, Chen, Lannan, these are back end guys, not front end guys. I’d hate to see the road blocked by pitchers like that when potential like Monty, Crow, Lamb, Odorizzi is waiting. We know what Lannan and Paulino bring to the table 3-5 starter ability. At some point, we will need to find out if those other guys can make it to the 1-2 range.

Good comments, sparking great discourse.

]]> By: mmeade17 http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-2020082 mmeade17 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:30:19 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-2020082 @the5allens That's an interesting idea, but the issue I have with trying to get Lannan is the Royals seem to have a lot of guys like Lannan already. He's into arbitration and will make $5 million this season after losing his arbitration hearing so he's not Paulino cheap, but he may not even be Paulino good, which isn't really that good. He had a decent 3.70 ERA last year but a more pedestrian 4.28 FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching). He's never been better than a 1.4 WAR pitcher. The Royals have a lot of those types of guys right now. I'm thinking Lannan would just block the way for guys like Crow and Montgomery who at least have the potential to be a little better than that. Though, I can certainly see the appeal of trying to bring in some sort of one-year upgrade to contend in 2012. @the5allens That’s an interesting idea, but the issue I have with trying to get Lannan is the Royals seem to have a lot of guys like Lannan already. He’s into arbitration and will make $5 million this season after losing his arbitration hearing so he’s not Paulino cheap, but he may not even be Paulino good, which isn’t really that good. He had a decent 3.70 ERA last year but a more pedestrian 4.28 FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching). He’s never been better than a 1.4 WAR pitcher. The Royals have a lot of those types of guys right now. I’m thinking Lannan would just block the way for guys like Crow and Montgomery who at least have the potential to be a little better than that. Though, I can certainly see the appeal of trying to bring in some sort of one-year upgrade to contend in 2012.

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-6065 michael.allen.engel Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:28:22 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-6065 @the5allens @mmeade17 Take out Davies/SOS/Mazzaro from last year, and the rotation was right at the AL average. No, that's not "good" but it's not awful either, and with any kind of progress from Duffy, Hochevar (THIS is the year) and yes, Paulino (led the team in K/9, which is a start), they could end up doing a little bit better than we all expect. The could also be awful, too. Paulino might be masquerading as a serviceable pitcher. Hoch might go back to his old form, and Duffy could stay as raw as he was last year. I hate to hedge but it's probably somewhere between those two scenarios. @the5allens @mmeade17 Take out Davies/SOS/Mazzaro from last year, and the rotation was right at the AL average. No, that’s not “good” but it’s not awful either, and with any kind of progress from Duffy, Hochevar (THIS is the year) and yes, Paulino (led the team in K/9, which is a start), they could end up doing a little bit better than we all expect.

The could also be awful, too. Paulino might be masquerading as a serviceable pitcher. Hoch might go back to his old form, and Duffy could stay as raw as he was last year. I hate to hedge but it’s probably somewhere between those two scenarios.

]]> By: the5allens http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-6064 the5allens Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:19:20 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-6064 @mmeade17 wait, did you really say "paulino good" ? is that some kind of reverse-psychology jedi mind trick ? I think "paulino good" is an oxymoron. Lannan has turned in 3 different seasons with ERA under 4 (pitching over 180 innings each time), while Paulino has never been under 4.00 even in part time duty. and Lannan is a year younger, while Paulino has never been able to catch on, through 3 organizations now. I follow the Royals from afar, and admit that I have not seen Paulino pitch, but I am striking out as to why the organization seems to like him. Lannan is more expensive, and arbitration eligible, but that might even be fixed before the trade with a contract extension as part of the deal. I don't think KC has a lot of guys like Lannan. I think Duffy will be great, but he isn't there yet. Chen is surprisingly good, but for how much longer. Hoch is on the verge of being a bust in my mind, given his draft position. I like Sanchez, have had him in fantasy baseball 2 of last 3 years. Even if Montgomery comes up at some point this season, what can we really expect in his rookie year ? i love the makeup of this year's squad, except I fear that the starting pitching has the potential to be awful. the stud pitchers coming through the system are in a line, not in a wave (unlike last year's wave of position players)- unlikely that we add 2 rookie starters at any one time during the next couple of seasons ( and would we even want to). Thus, when the guys at the end of the line arrive, they are not adds but replacements at that point. in other words, by the time Lamb or Odorizzi come up, Chen - Sanchez are likely to be gone, maybe the great Paulino too. we are running on a treadmill, not improving - and its years down the line. all that being said, I do love this site and I really loved your article. especially the chicken mcnugget reference - at least we have 20 of them...lol. brilliant @mmeade17 wait, did you really say “paulino good” ? is that some kind of reverse-psychology jedi mind trick ? I think “paulino good” is an oxymoron. Lannan has turned in 3 different seasons with ERA under 4 (pitching over 180 innings each time), while Paulino has never been under 4.00 even in part time duty. and Lannan is a year younger, while Paulino has never been able to catch on, through 3 organizations now. I follow the Royals from afar, and admit that I have not seen Paulino pitch, but I am striking out as to why the organization seems to like him.

Lannan is more expensive, and arbitration eligible, but that might even be fixed before the trade with a contract extension as part of the deal.

I don’t think KC has a lot of guys like Lannan. I think Duffy will be great, but he isn’t there yet. Chen is surprisingly good, but for how much longer. Hoch is on the verge of being a bust in my mind, given his draft position. I like Sanchez, have had him in fantasy baseball 2 of last 3 years. Even if Montgomery comes up at some point this season, what can we really expect in his rookie year ?

i love the makeup of this year’s squad, except I fear that the starting pitching has the potential to be awful. the stud pitchers coming through the system are in a line, not in a wave (unlike last year’s wave of position players)- unlikely that we add 2 rookie starters at any one time during the next couple of seasons ( and would we even want to). Thus, when the guys at the end of the line arrive, they are not adds but replacements at that point. in other words, by the time Lamb or Odorizzi come up, Chen – Sanchez are likely to be gone, maybe the great Paulino too. we are running on a treadmill, not improving – and its years down the line.

all that being said, I do love this site and I really loved your article. especially the chicken mcnugget reference – at least we have 20 of them…lol. brilliant

]]> By: mmeade17 http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-6062 mmeade17 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:30:19 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-6062 @the5allens That's an interesting idea, but the issue I have with trying to get Lannan is the Royals seem to have a lot of guys like Lannan already. He's into arbitration and will make $5 million this season after losing his arbitration hearing so he's not Paulino cheap, but he may not even be Paulino good, which isn't really that good. He had a decent 3.70 ERA last year but a more pedestrian 4.28 FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching). He's never been better than a 1.4 WAR pitcher. The Royals have a lot of those types of guys right now. I'm thinking Lannan would just block the way for guys like Crow and Montgomery who at least have the potential to be a little better than that. Though, I can certainly see the appeal of trying to bring in some sort of one-year upgrade to contend in 2012. @the5allens That’s an interesting idea, but the issue I have with trying to get Lannan is the Royals seem to have a lot of guys like Lannan already. He’s into arbitration and will make $5 million this season after losing his arbitration hearing so he’s not Paulino cheap, but he may not even be Paulino good, which isn’t really that good. He had a decent 3.70 ERA last year but a more pedestrian 4.28 FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching). He’s never been better than a 1.4 WAR pitcher. The Royals have a lot of those types of guys right now. I’m thinking Lannan would just block the way for guys like Crow and Montgomery who at least have the potential to be a little better than that. Though, I can certainly see the appeal of trying to bring in some sort of one-year upgrade to contend in 2012.

]]> By: the5allens http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-2020077 the5allens Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:29:54 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-2020077 great article. since the Nats signed Edwin Jackson today, the Royals should try to acquire John Lannan from the Nats. Last year's Lannan would be the best pitcher on the Royals... great article.

since the Nats signed Edwin Jackson today, the Royals should try to acquire John Lannan from the Nats. Last year’s Lannan would be the best pitcher on the Royals…

]]> By: the5allens http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-6057 the5allens Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:29:54 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-6057 great article. since the Nats signed Edwin Jackson today, the Royals should try to acquire John Lannan from the Nats. Last year's Lannan would be the best pitcher on the Royals... great article.

since the Nats signed Edwin Jackson today, the Royals should try to acquire John Lannan from the Nats. Last year’s Lannan would be the best pitcher on the Royals…

]]> By: KingsofKauffman http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/31/prophecy-in-pitching/#comment-2020060 KingsofKauffman Wed, 01 Feb 2012 07:26:03 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11950#comment-2020060 @NorthMoRoyal @MarcusMeade that's why you're our #1 fan, Lance! @NorthMoRoyal @MarcusMeade that’s why you’re our #1 fan, Lance!

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