Comments on: Rumor Mill: Billy Butler to the Yankees http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/ A Kansas City Royals Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:29:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2020087 jim fetterolf Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:33:53 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2020087 @davidwlowe @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I thought Moose was a bit above average at 3rd, although Hosmer probably saved him ten throwing errors, and I predict that he'll walk quite a bit this coming season batting in the 5th spot ahead of Frenchy. Most of last season there was no reason to throw balls to Moose, just let him swing and get himself out eight of ten times. This year will probably be a little different. @davidwlowe @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I thought Moose was a bit above average at 3rd, although Hosmer probably saved him ten throwing errors, and I predict that he’ll walk quite a bit this coming season batting in the 5th spot ahead of Frenchy. Most of last season there was no reason to throw balls to Moose, just let him swing and get himself out eight of ten times. This year will probably be a little different.

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-6067 jim fetterolf Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:33:53 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-6067 @davidwlowe @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I thought Moose was a bit above average at 3rd, although Hosmer probably saved him ten throwing errors, and I predict that he'll walk quite a bit this coming season batting in the 5th spot ahead of Frenchy. Most of last season there was no reason to throw balls to Moose, just let him swing and get himself out eight of ten times. This year will probably be a little different. @davidwlowe @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I thought Moose was a bit above average at 3rd, although Hosmer probably saved him ten throwing errors, and I predict that he’ll walk quite a bit this coming season batting in the 5th spot ahead of Frenchy. Most of last season there was no reason to throw balls to Moose, just let him swing and get himself out eight of ten times. This year will probably be a little different.

]]> By: davidwlowe http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2020057 davidwlowe Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:12:26 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2020057 @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I'm calling bullcrap on this post. Moose did not display "terrible defense" at 3B last year. He was much better than I thought he would be, as he made plays over and over that I thought I wouldn't. As for OBA, Moose displayed all kinds of on base in the final month, and his BA has been more than enough to compensate for a lack of walks throughout the minors. If you have some non-public information regarding Moose's off the field performance that you don't like, I guess that might change my mind if you shared it with the rest of us. @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I’m calling bullcrap on this post. Moose did not display “terrible defense” at 3B last year. He was much better than I thought he would be, as he made plays over and over that I thought I wouldn’t. As for OBA, Moose displayed all kinds of on base in the final month, and his BA has been more than enough to compensate for a lack of walks throughout the minors.

If you have some non-public information regarding Moose’s off the field performance that you don’t like, I guess that might change my mind if you shared it with the rest of us.

]]> By: davidwlowe http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-6030 davidwlowe Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:12:26 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-6030 @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I'm calling bullcrap on this post. Moose did not display "terrible defense" at 3B last year. He was much better than I thought he would be, as he made plays over and over that I thought I wouldn't. As for OBA, Moose displayed all kinds of on base in the final month, and his BA has been more than enough to compensate for a lack of walks throughout the minors. If you have some non-public information regarding Moose's off the field performance that you don't like, I guess that might change my mind if you shared it with the rest of us. @Kevin Scobee @michael.allen.engel @jim fetterolf I’m calling bullcrap on this post. Moose did not display “terrible defense” at 3B last year. He was much better than I thought he would be, as he made plays over and over that I thought I wouldn’t. As for OBA, Moose displayed all kinds of on base in the final month, and his BA has been more than enough to compensate for a lack of walks throughout the minors.

If you have some non-public information regarding Moose’s off the field performance that you don’t like, I guess that might change my mind if you shared it with the rest of us.

]]> By: Check Your Sources - Kings of Kauffman - A Kansas City Royals Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5926 Check Your Sources - Kings of Kauffman - A Kansas City Royals Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:27:31 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5926 [...] rumors would make it reasonable that the Rangers might be looking for a first baseman/DH type and Butler has come up in the Yankees rumors, too, recently. I pegged a big time prospect just to make it “fit” a bit [...] [...] rumors would make it reasonable that the Rangers might be looking for a first baseman/DH type and Butler has come up in the Yankees rumors, too, recently. I pegged a big time prospect just to make it “fit” a bit [...]

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019966 michael.allen.engel Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:55:47 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019966 @jim fetterolf@Kevin Scobee Yeah, that's the good thing - we don't have to choose @jim fetterolf@Kevin Scobee Yeah, that’s the good thing – we don’t have to choose

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019965 jim fetterolf Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019965 @Kevin Scobee@michael.allen.engel Billy is a fine hitter and his so-called flaws can be seen as a result of not being surrounded by enough talent. Moose looks also to be a fine hitter, more of a power stroke maybe, but his advantage is that he seems an average, at least, 3B, so should be able to stay in a position for awhile. He's also quite a bit faster than Billy and quite a bit cheaper. Fortunately, it's not an either/or situation for us, we can have both for awhile. @Kevin Scobee@michael.allen.engel Billy is a fine hitter and his so-called flaws can be seen as a result of not being surrounded by enough talent. Moose looks also to be a fine hitter, more of a power stroke maybe, but his advantage is that he seems an average, at least, 3B, so should be able to stay in a position for awhile. He’s also quite a bit faster than Billy and quite a bit cheaper. Fortunately, it’s not an either/or situation for us, we can have both for awhile.

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5899 michael.allen.engel Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:55:47 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5899 @jim fetterolf@Kevin Scobee Yeah, that's the good thing - we don't have to choose @jim fetterolf@Kevin Scobee Yeah, that’s the good thing – we don’t have to choose

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5898 jim fetterolf Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:58 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5898 @Kevin Scobee@michael.allen.engel Billy is a fine hitter and his so-called flaws can be seen as a result of not being surrounded by enough talent. Moose looks also to be a fine hitter, more of a power stroke maybe, but his advantage is that he seems an average, at least, 3B, so should be able to stay in a position for awhile. He's also quite a bit faster than Billy and quite a bit cheaper. Fortunately, it's not an either/or situation for us, we can have both for awhile. @Kevin Scobee@michael.allen.engel Billy is a fine hitter and his so-called flaws can be seen as a result of not being surrounded by enough talent. Moose looks also to be a fine hitter, more of a power stroke maybe, but his advantage is that he seems an average, at least, 3B, so should be able to stay in a position for awhile. He’s also quite a bit faster than Billy and quite a bit cheaper. Fortunately, it’s not an either/or situation for us, we can have both for awhile.

]]> By: Kevin Scobee http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019960 Kevin Scobee Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:43:36 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019960 @Al Kaline Unless it's for Jacob Turner I don't think there's a whole lot I would take from Detroit for Butler. Their team is awfully top heavy, and those aren't the type of guys teams will get rid of because those are the guys that make differences. @Al Kaline Unless it’s for Jacob Turner I don’t think there’s a whole lot I would take from Detroit for Butler. Their team is awfully top heavy, and those aren’t the type of guys teams will get rid of because those are the guys that make differences.

]]> By: Kevin Scobee http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5891 Kevin Scobee Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:43:36 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5891 @Al Kaline Unless it's for Jacob Turner I don't think there's a whole lot I would take from Detroit for Butler. Their team is awfully top heavy, and those aren't the type of guys teams will get rid of because those are the guys that make differences. @Al Kaline Unless it’s for Jacob Turner I don’t think there’s a whole lot I would take from Detroit for Butler. Their team is awfully top heavy, and those aren’t the type of guys teams will get rid of because those are the guys that make differences.

]]> By: Al Kaline http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019959 Al Kaline Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:15:07 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019959 Now the Tigers could be a destination for Butler. Now the Tigers could be a destination for Butler.

]]> By: Al Kaline http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5890 Al Kaline Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:15:07 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5890 Now the Tigers could be a destination for Butler. Now the Tigers could be a destination for Butler.

]]> By: Kevin Scobee http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019957 Kevin Scobee Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:56:03 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019957 @jim fetterolf@michael.allen.engel I like how you said that "what he is worth to us". Because it's true. In the open market players of his skill are probably worth more money than what the Royals have him for, and his value does get hurt a little because the lack of counting stats both a product of his home park and his approach at the plate. For the Royals though, having someone with his track record of production, at his price, and his durability, means a lot. Also, if for no other reason, than in a market like Kansas City every dollar must be watch more closely. Having Butler's consistency does mean something. Well said. @jim fetterolf@michael.allen.engel I like how you said that “what he is worth to us”. Because it’s true. In the open market players of his skill are probably worth more money than what the Royals have him for, and his value does get hurt a little because the lack of counting stats both a product of his home park and his approach at the plate. For the Royals though, having someone with his track record of production, at his price, and his durability, means a lot. Also, if for no other reason, than in a market like Kansas City every dollar must be watch more closely. Having Butler’s consistency does mean something.

Well said.

]]> By: Kevin Scobee http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019956 Kevin Scobee Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:51:08 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019956 @michael.allen.engel@jim fetterolf In nearly 200 less at-bats in the minors Butler hit only 11 less homeruns, walked 70 more times, struck out less than 30 times, and had 25 more hits than Moustakas. Yeah, these are some crude statistics, and I am not at all a fan of Moustakas' for a variety of reasons both on and off the field related, but I just don't see where everyone assumes he's this untouchable force and Butler is a mediocre hitter. If anything, they're the same guy. Moustakas: more power, zero on-base skills, terrible defense. Butler: limited power, above-average on-base skills, terrible defense. In the end, I bet their careers or more similar than one being a superstar and the other being simply a chubby guy that hits singles. (This is in no way your point, Jim, you just poked me for another issue.) To your point: Swapping Butler for a pitcher and replacing him with Robinson would drastically hurt this team. Drastically. As someone has mentioned to me before on this site that Butler is a "one-dimensional" player, then everyone doesn't fully understand how great that "one-dimension" is. Even though Butler's trade value my be perceived as "low" because of position, you mean to tell me someone wouldn't want a hitter with his career track record, playing in a cavernous home park, entering his age 26 season? And a player who has missed a total of 10 games the last three seasons? @michael.allen.engel@jim fetterolf In nearly 200 less at-bats in the minors Butler hit only 11 less homeruns, walked 70 more times, struck out less than 30 times, and had 25 more hits than Moustakas. Yeah, these are some crude statistics, and I am not at all a fan of Moustakas’ for a variety of reasons both on and off the field related, but I just don’t see where everyone assumes he’s this untouchable force and Butler is a mediocre hitter. If anything, they’re the same guy. Moustakas: more power, zero on-base skills, terrible defense. Butler: limited power, above-average on-base skills, terrible defense. In the end, I bet their careers or more similar than one being a superstar and the other being simply a chubby guy that hits singles. (This is in no way your point, Jim, you just poked me for another issue.)

To your point: Swapping Butler for a pitcher and replacing him with Robinson would drastically hurt this team. Drastically. As someone has mentioned to me before on this site that Butler is a “one-dimensional” player, then everyone doesn’t fully understand how great that “one-dimension” is. Even though Butler’s trade value my be perceived as “low” because of position, you mean to tell me someone wouldn’t want a hitter with his career track record, playing in a cavernous home park, entering his age 26 season? And a player who has missed a total of 10 games the last three seasons?

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019955 jim fetterolf Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:47:09 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019955 @michael.allen.engel Agree, but would suggest that 1B is the NL version of DH when inhabited by Prince Fielder. Billy's not a terrible 1st baseman, better than CRob from what I hear, he just isn't near Hosmer quality, so is the DH. The key to any Billy deal is to get enough talent to compensate for what we give up, which is consistent production. I think Billy retires a Royal because nobody will give us what he is worth to us. @michael.allen.engel Agree, but would suggest that 1B is the NL version of DH when inhabited by Prince Fielder. Billy’s not a terrible 1st baseman, better than CRob from what I hear, he just isn’t near Hosmer quality, so is the DH. The key to any Billy deal is to get enough talent to compensate for what we give up, which is consistent production. I think Billy retires a Royal because nobody will give us what he is worth to us.

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019954 michael.allen.engel Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:08:48 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019954 @jim fetterolf I have significant doubts that Robinson could outperform Kila. Big big exploitable hole in his swing vs. lefties who know how to find it, i.e., MLB lefties. He's also two years older than Butler with less talent and might even be a WORSE defender than Butler. If the right deal comes along, great, but the market for Butler is basically limited to AL teams since he won't be a good option at first in the NL. And if they did trade Billy, they'd probably do so more for a high upside A guy and a "solid" AAA guy. Get the AAA guy to hold place and the A guy to hit a homer if they pan out. I just dont see them trading Billy anyway. No reason to at this point unless they get completely bowled over - as in Jeremy Hellickson and change bowled over (which is never happening). @jim fetterolf I have significant doubts that Robinson could outperform Kila. Big big exploitable hole in his swing vs. lefties who know how to find it, i.e., MLB lefties. He’s also two years older than Butler with less talent and might even be a WORSE defender than Butler. If the right deal comes along, great, but the market for Butler is basically limited to AL teams since he won’t be a good option at first in the NL.

And if they did trade Billy, they’d probably do so more for a high upside A guy and a “solid” AAA guy. Get the AAA guy to hold place and the A guy to hit a homer if they pan out. I just dont see them trading Billy anyway. No reason to at this point unless they get completely bowled over – as in Jeremy Hellickson and change bowled over (which is never happening).

]]> By: Kevin Scobee http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5888 Kevin Scobee Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:56:03 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5888 @jim fetterolf@michael.allen.engel I like how you said that "what he is worth to us". Because it's true. In the open market players of his skill are probably worth more money than what the Royals have him for, and his value does get hurt a little because the lack of counting stats both a product of his home park and his approach at the plate. For the Royals though, having someone with his track record of production, at his price, and his durability, means a lot. Also, if for no other reason, than in a market like Kansas City every dollar must be watch more closely. Having Butler's consistency does mean something. Well said. @jim fetterolf@michael.allen.engel I like how you said that “what he is worth to us”. Because it’s true. In the open market players of his skill are probably worth more money than what the Royals have him for, and his value does get hurt a little because the lack of counting stats both a product of his home park and his approach at the plate. For the Royals though, having someone with his track record of production, at his price, and his durability, means a lot. Also, if for no other reason, than in a market like Kansas City every dollar must be watch more closely. Having Butler’s consistency does mean something.

Well said.

]]> By: Kevin Scobee http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5887 Kevin Scobee Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:51:08 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5887 @michael.allen.engel@jim fetterolf In nearly 200 less at-bats in the minors Butler hit only 11 less homeruns, walked 70 more times, struck out less than 30 times, and had 25 more hits than Moustakas. Yeah, these are some crude statistics, and I am not at all a fan of Moustakas' for a variety of reasons both on and off the field related, but I just don't see where everyone assumes he's this untouchable force and Butler is a mediocre hitter. If anything, they're the same guy. Moustakas: more power, zero on-base skills, terrible defense. Butler: limited power, above-average on-base skills, terrible defense. In the end, I bet their careers or more similar than one being a superstar and the other being simply a chubby guy that hits singles. (This is in no way your point, Jim, you just poked me for another issue.) To your point: Swapping Butler for a pitcher and replacing him with Robinson would drastically hurt this team. Drastically. As someone has mentioned to me before on this site that Butler is a "one-dimensional" player, then everyone doesn't fully understand how great that "one-dimension" is. Even though Butler's trade value my be perceived as "low" because of position, you mean to tell me someone wouldn't want a hitter with his career track record, playing in a cavernous home park, entering his age 26 season? And a player who has missed a total of 10 games the last three seasons? @michael.allen.engel@jim fetterolf In nearly 200 less at-bats in the minors Butler hit only 11 less homeruns, walked 70 more times, struck out less than 30 times, and had 25 more hits than Moustakas. Yeah, these are some crude statistics, and I am not at all a fan of Moustakas’ for a variety of reasons both on and off the field related, but I just don’t see where everyone assumes he’s this untouchable force and Butler is a mediocre hitter. If anything, they’re the same guy. Moustakas: more power, zero on-base skills, terrible defense. Butler: limited power, above-average on-base skills, terrible defense. In the end, I bet their careers or more similar than one being a superstar and the other being simply a chubby guy that hits singles. (This is in no way your point, Jim, you just poked me for another issue.)

To your point: Swapping Butler for a pitcher and replacing him with Robinson would drastically hurt this team. Drastically. As someone has mentioned to me before on this site that Butler is a “one-dimensional” player, then everyone doesn’t fully understand how great that “one-dimension” is. Even though Butler’s trade value my be perceived as “low” because of position, you mean to tell me someone wouldn’t want a hitter with his career track record, playing in a cavernous home park, entering his age 26 season? And a player who has missed a total of 10 games the last three seasons?

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5886 jim fetterolf Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:47:09 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5886 @michael.allen.engel Agree, but would suggest that 1B is the NL version of DH when inhabited by Prince Fielder. Billy's not a terrible 1st baseman, better than CRob from what I hear, he just isn't near Hosmer quality, so is the DH. The key to any Billy deal is to get enough talent to compensate for what we give up, which is consistent production. I think Billy retires a Royal because nobody will give us what he is worth to us. @michael.allen.engel Agree, but would suggest that 1B is the NL version of DH when inhabited by Prince Fielder. Billy’s not a terrible 1st baseman, better than CRob from what I hear, he just isn’t near Hosmer quality, so is the DH. The key to any Billy deal is to get enough talent to compensate for what we give up, which is consistent production. I think Billy retires a Royal because nobody will give us what he is worth to us.

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019953 jim fetterolf Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:26:42 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019953 @michael.allen.engel The theory is, of course, worth looking at and has been kicking around for the last year since Hoz, Moose, Cain, and Perez were recognized as imminent. Gets down to value and whether what we would receive would be worth as much to us as Billy is. We won't get an ace for Billy, we won't get a young #2 starter for him with years of control, so I think we probably can't do better than some prospects. In that case, Billy should probably stay, being as predictable as death and taxes and being part of what is starting to project as an impressive offensive line-up. An argument could be made for Clint Robinson being an adequate replacement, and I've made that myself. I like what C Rob has done in the minors and like that he's a lefty, something the line-up is a little light on, but that doesn't mean Billy, long-time face of the franchise, should be given away cheap. If the NYY are in play, didn't they get a top pitching prospect with Pineda? Billy for a AAA stud and maybe a A prospect might be fair and wouldn't move Paulino or Duffy out of the rotation. @michael.allen.engel The theory is, of course, worth looking at and has been kicking around for the last year since Hoz, Moose, Cain, and Perez were recognized as imminent. Gets down to value and whether what we would receive would be worth as much to us as Billy is. We won’t get an ace for Billy, we won’t get a young #2 starter for him with years of control, so I think we probably can’t do better than some prospects. In that case, Billy should probably stay, being as predictable as death and taxes and being part of what is starting to project as an impressive offensive line-up. An argument could be made for Clint Robinson being an adequate replacement, and I’ve made that myself. I like what C Rob has done in the minors and like that he’s a lefty, something the line-up is a little light on, but that doesn’t mean Billy, long-time face of the franchise, should be given away cheap. If the NYY are in play, didn’t they get a top pitching prospect with Pineda? Billy for a AAA stud and maybe a A prospect might be fair and wouldn’t move Paulino or Duffy out of the rotation.

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5885 michael.allen.engel Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:08:48 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5885 @jim fetterolf I have significant doubts that Robinson could outperform Kila. Big big exploitable hole in his swing vs. lefties who know how to find it, i.e., MLB lefties. He's also two years older than Butler with less talent and might even be a WORSE defender than Butler. If the right deal comes along, great, but the market for Butler is basically limited to AL teams since he won't be a good option at first in the NL. And if they did trade Billy, they'd probably do so more for a high upside A guy and a "solid" AAA guy. Get the AAA guy to hold place and the A guy to hit a homer if they pan out. I just dont see them trading Billy anyway. No reason to at this point unless they get completely bowled over - as in Jeremy Hellickson and change bowled over (which is never happening). @jim fetterolf I have significant doubts that Robinson could outperform Kila. Big big exploitable hole in his swing vs. lefties who know how to find it, i.e., MLB lefties. He’s also two years older than Butler with less talent and might even be a WORSE defender than Butler. If the right deal comes along, great, but the market for Butler is basically limited to AL teams since he won’t be a good option at first in the NL.

And if they did trade Billy, they’d probably do so more for a high upside A guy and a “solid” AAA guy. Get the AAA guy to hold place and the A guy to hit a homer if they pan out. I just dont see them trading Billy anyway. No reason to at this point unless they get completely bowled over – as in Jeremy Hellickson and change bowled over (which is never happening).

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5884 jim fetterolf Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:26:42 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5884 @michael.allen.engel The theory is, of course, worth looking at and has been kicking around for the last year since Hoz, Moose, Cain, and Perez were recognized as imminent. Gets down to value and whether what we would receive would be worth as much to us as Billy is. We won't get an ace for Billy, we won't get a young #2 starter for him with years of control, so I think we probably can't do better than some prospects. In that case, Billy should probably stay, being as predictable as death and taxes and being part of what is starting to project as an impressive offensive line-up. An argument could be made for Clint Robinson being an adequate replacement, and I've made that myself. I like what C Rob has done in the minors and like that he's a lefty, something the line-up is a little light on, but that doesn't mean Billy, long-time face of the franchise, should be given away cheap. If the NYY are in play, didn't they get a top pitching prospect with Pineda? Billy for a AAA stud and maybe a A prospect might be fair and wouldn't move Paulino or Duffy out of the rotation. @michael.allen.engel The theory is, of course, worth looking at and has been kicking around for the last year since Hoz, Moose, Cain, and Perez were recognized as imminent. Gets down to value and whether what we would receive would be worth as much to us as Billy is. We won’t get an ace for Billy, we won’t get a young #2 starter for him with years of control, so I think we probably can’t do better than some prospects. In that case, Billy should probably stay, being as predictable as death and taxes and being part of what is starting to project as an impressive offensive line-up. An argument could be made for Clint Robinson being an adequate replacement, and I’ve made that myself. I like what C Rob has done in the minors and like that he’s a lefty, something the line-up is a little light on, but that doesn’t mean Billy, long-time face of the franchise, should be given away cheap. If the NYY are in play, didn’t they get a top pitching prospect with Pineda? Billy for a AAA stud and maybe a A prospect might be fair and wouldn’t move Paulino or Duffy out of the rotation.

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019941 michael.allen.engel Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:18:31 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019941 @jim fetterolf The rumor this is based off of is basically nonsense, but it sparked a ton of discussion on Twitter yesterday. There's no credible source corroborating the initial speculation, but the theory itself is worth discussing. @jim fetterolf The rumor this is based off of is basically nonsense, but it sparked a ton of discussion on Twitter yesterday. There’s no credible source corroborating the initial speculation, but the theory itself is worth discussing.

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-2019940 jim fetterolf Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:10:59 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-2019940 Good piece, other than the snark about Billy's sacred wOBA dropping. Main reason it dropped was because he moved from 5th to 3rd and pitchers stopped pitching around him to get to Treanor or the struggling Moose. With Hoz on deck, pitchers got allergic to walking Billy, so his wOBA, based on trhe contextual and non-individual OBP stat, went down while his other numbers went up. I think the homers and ribbies are more valuable than Billy walking to first and standing there as Moose and Treanor and Getz make outs, but reasonable people can disagree. For those who think this would be good trade, bear in mind that not only would Billy be lost for the season, but so would Duffy or Paulino, forced out of the rotation. Good piece, other than the snark about Billy’s sacred wOBA dropping. Main reason it dropped was because he moved from 5th to 3rd and pitchers stopped pitching around him to get to Treanor or the struggling Moose. With Hoz on deck, pitchers got allergic to walking Billy, so his wOBA, based on trhe contextual and non-individual OBP stat, went down while his other numbers went up. I think the homers and ribbies are more valuable than Billy walking to first and standing there as Moose and Treanor and Getz make outs, but reasonable people can disagree. For those who think this would be good trade, bear in mind that not only would Billy be lost for the season, but so would Duffy or Paulino, forced out of the rotation.

]]> By: michael.allen.engel http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5869 michael.allen.engel Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:18:31 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5869 @jim fetterolf The rumor this is based off of is basically nonsense, but it sparked a ton of discussion on Twitter yesterday. There's no credible source corroborating the initial speculation, but the theory itself is worth discussing. @jim fetterolf The rumor this is based off of is basically nonsense, but it sparked a ton of discussion on Twitter yesterday. There’s no credible source corroborating the initial speculation, but the theory itself is worth discussing.

]]> By: jim fetterolf http://kingsofkauffman.com/2012/01/16/rumor-mill-billy-butler-to-the-yankees/#comment-5868 jim fetterolf Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:10:59 +0000 http://kingsofkauffman.com/?p=11785#comment-5868 Good piece, other than the snark about Billy's sacred wOBA dropping. Main reason it dropped was because he moved from 5th to 3rd and pitchers stopped pitching around him to get to Treanor or the struggling Moose. With Hoz on deck, pitchers got allergic to walking Billy, so his wOBA, based on trhe contextual and non-individual OBP stat, went down while his other numbers went up. I think the homers and ribbies are more valuable than Billy walking to first and standing there as Moose and Treanor and Getz make outs, but reasonable people can disagree. For those who think this would be good trade, bear in mind that not only would Billy be lost for the season, but so would Duffy or Paulino, forced out of the rotation. Good piece, other than the snark about Billy’s sacred wOBA dropping. Main reason it dropped was because he moved from 5th to 3rd and pitchers stopped pitching around him to get to Treanor or the struggling Moose. With Hoz on deck, pitchers got allergic to walking Billy, so his wOBA, based on trhe contextual and non-individual OBP stat, went down while his other numbers went up. I think the homers and ribbies are more valuable than Billy walking to first and standing there as Moose and Treanor and Getz make outs, but reasonable people can disagree. For those who think this would be good trade, bear in mind that not only would Billy be lost for the season, but so would Duffy or Paulino, forced out of the rotation.

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