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		<title>By: Bullpen Picture Gets &#8230; Less Fuzzy &#171; Kings of Kauffman &#124; A Kansas City Royals Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullpen Picture Gets &#8230; Less Fuzzy &#171; Kings of Kauffman &#124; A Kansas City Royals Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going off pure talent and performance, Montgomery would be a lock.  The rules of baseball, however, complicate matters.  Despite 8 walks, Montgomery has surrendered just one run in nine innings of work, capped by a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://kingsofkauffman.com/2011/03/04/timing-is-everything-callups-and-service-time/#comment-4412</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 00:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, it&#039;s never about winning and playing the best players at each position in your system, it&#039;s always about money.  

Money, money, money....oh no we may not control Moustakas in 2017?!?!  Boo freaking Hoo.  Getting off to a hot start in April can stay with a team all year long, just ask the 1993 Phillies about that theory. 

The fact is that as a prospect you&#039;re either going to be a AAAA player, a Stud, or look like a potential journeyman after getting your first 500 MLB at bats. Sometimes you can wait until a player turns 25 and the guy still comes up and needs time to adjust or ends up overwhelmed.  My point is the Royals have nothing as far as fan support, jersey sales, and excitement other than &quot;watch out for our farm teams&quot; or &quot;watch out for us in 2013&quot;.  Why not let the kids play and make the rest of baseball take notice this year?

Put Moose and Hosmer on the corners, take the lumps, and make the entire league follow you out of pure curiosity.  What&#039;s the downside losing 95 games?  Oh wait that&#039;s the norm.  So what if Moose hits .217 and Hosmer hits .221 both guys have major league makeup and winning resumes. They&#039;ll be fine either way. If anything it can only help to speed up their development.  

Play Dyson and Cain together in the outfield together and platoon Francouer and Gordon in rightfield.  Send Blanco, Maier (lol as he leads the team in batting this spring), and Cabrera away for extra bags of chalk line.  What you&#039;ll see is creative speed on the base paths that disrupts pitchers and catchers concentration with young power in the box waiting to capitalize on their mistakes.  God forbid the Royals add excitement to the team for the fans and young kids in the stands.  No instead they&#039;ve got to make sure we still have small contracts in 2017.  Give me a freaking break.  If this where 1958 the best talent would be on the field.  Instead it&#039;s 2011 so they&#039;ve got to watch their investment portfolio and escalating slaries.  

Play the best talent and winning will solve everything else.  You can&#039;t tell me that the Royals wouldn&#039;t be the most talked about team in April if they started both kids at the corners this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, it&#8217;s never about winning and playing the best players at each position in your system, it&#8217;s always about money.  </p>
<p>Money, money, money&#8230;.oh no we may not control Moustakas in 2017?!?!  Boo freaking Hoo.  Getting off to a hot start in April can stay with a team all year long, just ask the 1993 Phillies about that theory. </p>
<p>The fact is that as a prospect you&#8217;re either going to be a AAAA player, a Stud, or look like a potential journeyman after getting your first 500 MLB at bats. Sometimes you can wait until a player turns 25 and the guy still comes up and needs time to adjust or ends up overwhelmed.  My point is the Royals have nothing as far as fan support, jersey sales, and excitement other than &#8220;watch out for our farm teams&#8221; or &#8220;watch out for us in 2013&#8243;.  Why not let the kids play and make the rest of baseball take notice this year?</p>
<p>Put Moose and Hosmer on the corners, take the lumps, and make the entire league follow you out of pure curiosity.  What&#8217;s the downside losing 95 games?  Oh wait that&#8217;s the norm.  So what if Moose hits .217 and Hosmer hits .221 both guys have major league makeup and winning resumes. They&#8217;ll be fine either way. If anything it can only help to speed up their development.  </p>
<p>Play Dyson and Cain together in the outfield together and platoon Francouer and Gordon in rightfield.  Send Blanco, Maier (lol as he leads the team in batting this spring), and Cabrera away for extra bags of chalk line.  What you&#8217;ll see is creative speed on the base paths that disrupts pitchers and catchers concentration with young power in the box waiting to capitalize on their mistakes.  God forbid the Royals add excitement to the team for the fans and young kids in the stands.  No instead they&#8217;ve got to make sure we still have small contracts in 2017.  Give me a freaking break.  If this where 1958 the best talent would be on the field.  Instead it&#8217;s 2011 so they&#8217;ve got to watch their investment portfolio and escalating slaries.  </p>
<p>Play the best talent and winning will solve everything else.  You can&#8217;t tell me that the Royals wouldn&#8217;t be the most talked about team in April if they started both kids at the corners this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Engel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Engel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot is relative to other debuts and service time.  In 2007, Ryan Braun debuted on 6/18.  Last year from 6/8-6/16 we saw the debuts of Mike Stanton, Stephen Strasburg, Carlos Santana and Pedro Alvarez.

Short of holding someone out until mid-July, you can&#039;t guarantee they wont land in the top 17% without really fussing with options and things like that.

Also, gotta consider that almost 200 players made their debut last year, some of which racked up some big service time (Heyward, Austin Jackson, Ike Davis, Mike Leake, even Chris Heisey and other scrubs).  Early June is a calculated risk to avoid Super Two status.

What the Royals might do anyway, if they think they can get him signed to an extension, is bring him up in late April and worry about the additional year of arbitration later or try to buy it out altogether.  They just have to weigh the pros and cons...do they want to pay a little more down the line to ensure he gets a big enough dose of major league pitching in 2011, ideally prepping him for 2012, or are they concerned about payroll in 2014?  

If I had to guess, my hunch is about 70% that he&#039;ll be up before June and 30% during June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot is relative to other debuts and service time.  In 2007, Ryan Braun debuted on 6/18.  Last year from 6/8-6/16 we saw the debuts of Mike Stanton, Stephen Strasburg, Carlos Santana and Pedro Alvarez.</p>
<p>Short of holding someone out until mid-July, you can&#8217;t guarantee they wont land in the top 17% without really fussing with options and things like that.</p>
<p>Also, gotta consider that almost 200 players made their debut last year, some of which racked up some big service time (Heyward, Austin Jackson, Ike Davis, Mike Leake, even Chris Heisey and other scrubs).  Early June is a calculated risk to avoid Super Two status.</p>
<p>What the Royals might do anyway, if they think they can get him signed to an extension, is bring him up in late April and worry about the additional year of arbitration later or try to buy it out altogether.  They just have to weigh the pros and cons&#8230;do they want to pay a little more down the line to ensure he gets a big enough dose of major league pitching in 2011, ideally prepping him for 2012, or are they concerned about payroll in 2014?  </p>
<p>If I had to guess, my hunch is about 70% that he&#8217;ll be up before June and 30% during June.</p>
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		<title>By: ed kranepool</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed kranepool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 17:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to belabour the point, but according to the article, if a player is called up and remains up for 86 consecutive days (or more), he may get Super Two status after 2 years and 86 days of service time. Bringing up Moose on June 1 does not avoid Super Two status, unless my math is way off. If he was called up on June 1 and remained with the Royals, he would log over 120 days in the 2011 season, eclipsing the 86 days. So, after the end of the 2013 season, wouldn&#039;t Moose be eligible for Super Two status (as long as he&#039;s in the top 17%)? What am I missing here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to belabour the point, but according to the article, if a player is called up and remains up for 86 consecutive days (or more), he may get Super Two status after 2 years and 86 days of service time. Bringing up Moose on June 1 does not avoid Super Two status, unless my math is way off. If he was called up on June 1 and remained with the Royals, he would log over 120 days in the 2011 season, eclipsing the 86 days. So, after the end of the 2013 season, wouldn&#8217;t Moose be eligible for Super Two status (as long as he&#8217;s in the top 17%)? What am I missing here?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Engel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Engel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they could do just that and avoid giving Moose (or any other rookie) an extra year of service time. I think June is more of an industry standard to avoid Super Two status. Good question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they could do just that and avoid giving Moose (or any other rookie) an extra year of service time. I think June is more of an industry standard to avoid Super Two status. Good question.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ed

That&#039;s a separate issue... if you delay their clock that long, you can avoid &#039;Super 2&#039; arbitration eligibility.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s a separate issue&#8230; if you delay their clock that long, you can avoid &#8216;Super 2&#8242; arbitration eligibility.</p>
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		<title>By: ed kranepool</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed kranepool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for explaining the service time rules. Since there are only 11 days difference between a MLB season and what qualifies as a &quot;year&quot; in service time, why would the Royals have to wait until June 1 to bring up Moose? Couldn&#039;t they bring him up May 1 and still easily avoid the service time issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining the service time rules. Since there are only 11 days difference between a MLB season and what qualifies as a &#8220;year&#8221; in service time, why would the Royals have to wait until June 1 to bring up Moose? Couldn&#8217;t they bring him up May 1 and still easily avoid the service time issue?</p>
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